Hi Amy,
Here's some thoughts. With regard to Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom Paul handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme. Paul refers to Hymenaeus again in II Tim 2:17-18. It seems from the text that he, along with another friend, are poisoning the church with the doctrine of Gnosticism. So it appears Hymenaeus has not changed, therefore he had yet to learn his lesson. He is mentioned with a different companion, and both times he is mentioned first. Suggesting to me that he is perhaps the leader. Just a little side thought.
Now as to "handing him over to Satan..." and what that may mean. 5:15 says, "For some have already turned aside after Satan." (speaking of widows) indicating that we make the choice to go away from Jesus towards Satan. However, I believe our text in I Tim. is more like I Cor. 5:5. In reference to the son who had his father's wife writes, "Deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the lord Jesus." This passage strongly suggests that there is a response by the faithful towards the unfaithful, in way of discipline by way of dis-fellowshipping, in hopes that they will feel the distance, figure it out, repent and return to their God.
Steph
Saturday, May 15, 2010
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
From Stephanie Slater
Greetings Bloggers,
Well, I don't know how you all felt about the chapters and verses missing in the letter to Timothy. Myself, I loved the reading without them, but it was harder to reference. What do you all think?
Check this out and see what you think too. 6:3 "If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing." coupled with last months - Galatians 5:10 "I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view."
For me, these verses assure me that I can be confident in the truth, and not believe as the world would have me believe - that I am not closed minded, or intolerant, or even self righteous because my thinking and actions are in line with God's truth and opposite of the world view. Like Romans 12 our minds need to be transformed into His will, His thinking, His views. We can not conform to this world, but rather we need to prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Steph
Well, I don't know how you all felt about the chapters and verses missing in the letter to Timothy. Myself, I loved the reading without them, but it was harder to reference. What do you all think?
Check this out and see what you think too. 6:3 "If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing." coupled with last months - Galatians 5:10 "I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view."
For me, these verses assure me that I can be confident in the truth, and not believe as the world would have me believe - that I am not closed minded, or intolerant, or even self righteous because my thinking and actions are in line with God's truth and opposite of the world view. Like Romans 12 our minds need to be transformed into His will, His thinking, His views. We can not conform to this world, but rather we need to prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Steph
Tuesday, May 4, 2010
From Amy (soon-to-be Jackson) Quinliven :)
Dearest sisters,
I hope everyone is having a great week! I really enjoyed reading our letter for I Timothy. It's amazing how just taking the verse numbers out of the letter made the read more clear to me and made me feel as though I was reading a true snail mail letter. Although I value the purpose of verse numbers, this method really helped me remember more. This first comment is more to get feedback from my sisters because I have a few questions.
After reading this (1st page, 2nd to last paragraph) "Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenacus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme."
Question 1: Does anyone know more history on Hymenacus and Alexander? It says that they were "handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme." Did they learn their lesson and come back to God. Or rather, did God receive them back after they learned their lesson? I'll do some searching while I wait for some responses.
Question 2: On page 2 (2nd paragraph) Paul says "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent..." How do we as women in the church know our boundaries when this passage is so firm as to our position in the church? I know that many stories have been documented in the bible of great women who have dome wonderful things in the church. Can anyone give me more scriptures to help me with this one? Can anyone expand on this? Thanks :)
Ok sistas ... that's it for now. Thanks for your help! Can't wait to learn more.
Love,
Amy
I hope everyone is having a great week! I really enjoyed reading our letter for I Timothy. It's amazing how just taking the verse numbers out of the letter made the read more clear to me and made me feel as though I was reading a true snail mail letter. Although I value the purpose of verse numbers, this method really helped me remember more. This first comment is more to get feedback from my sisters because I have a few questions.
After reading this (1st page, 2nd to last paragraph) "Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenacus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme."
Question 1: Does anyone know more history on Hymenacus and Alexander? It says that they were "handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme." Did they learn their lesson and come back to God. Or rather, did God receive them back after they learned their lesson? I'll do some searching while I wait for some responses.
Question 2: On page 2 (2nd paragraph) Paul says "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent..." How do we as women in the church know our boundaries when this passage is so firm as to our position in the church? I know that many stories have been documented in the bible of great women who have dome wonderful things in the church. Can anyone give me more scriptures to help me with this one? Can anyone expand on this? Thanks :)
Ok sistas ... that's it for now. Thanks for your help! Can't wait to learn more.
Love,
Amy
Monday, April 19, 2010
From Nicki Rhoton
"I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, and the life that I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."
Freedom!
Freedom!
Monday, April 12, 2010
From Stephanie Slater
Hey All;
Where is everyone on weighing in on thoughts regarding our fellowship of study in Galatians??
Well anyway, I thought some statement of facts were awesome resources for us in our world (life) view. These eleven truths are opposed to the world's view on life.
1:8 the obvious, "Not to preach a gospel different than what has been preached by apostles." (the word is not out-dated, it is the truth always)
2:10 Remember the poor (individual responsibility to take care of the needy)
3:6-9 The gospel is that all nation would be blessed through Christ. (Jesus is the Common Salvation)
3:22 The whole world is a prisoner of sin. (All of us have a common (the same) problem - that's why we need a common Salvation and have a common Savior, Jude 3)
4:8 "But we are known by God - heirs born to Freedom" (freedom is God's idea he gifted us with, not man's invention)
5:6 The one thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. (What we hear from God's word should be lovingly ACTIVE, not passive)
5:10 "TAKE NO OTHER VIEW" (The only world view is God's view - we need to see things his way! :)
5:13 FACT: Freedom is not for self indulgence, but to serve in Love. (Life is about serving, not about being served) It's not me, me, me.
5:19-25 If you life the sinful nature, you will NOT inherit the Kingdom to God. (We must come out! of ourselves, its a self sacrifice of passions and desires)
6:12 Self righteousness only looks good in the flesh, and is a way to avoid suffering the persecution for the cross of Christ.
6:15 We are a new creation in Christ. (We are not the creators of righteousness, only He is)
One last observation:
6:17 "Finally, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus."
How ironic, no! How perfect, that those requiring circumcision of the flesh as a mark of fellowship, couldn't hold a candle to Paul's flesh which bear the marks of Jesus (that persecution they were trying to avoid)
Oh ya, what of 5:12 ? "I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!" Have you or would you ever say something like that? Is this something the world would say? Come on lets get some discussion going!!!!!
There is a lot more here ladies, check it out! Isn't it great how God supplies us with answers!
Havin a blast, and looking forward to April SIS, Lord willing I'll be there finally.
Steph
Where is everyone on weighing in on thoughts regarding our fellowship of study in Galatians??
Well anyway, I thought some statement of facts were awesome resources for us in our world (life) view. These eleven truths are opposed to the world's view on life.
1:8 the obvious, "Not to preach a gospel different than what has been preached by apostles." (the word is not out-dated, it is the truth always)
2:10 Remember the poor (individual responsibility to take care of the needy)
3:6-9 The gospel is that all nation would be blessed through Christ. (Jesus is the Common Salvation)
3:22 The whole world is a prisoner of sin. (All of us have a common (the same) problem - that's why we need a common Salvation and have a common Savior, Jude 3)
4:8 "But we are known by God - heirs born to Freedom" (freedom is God's idea he gifted us with, not man's invention)
5:6 The one thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. (What we hear from God's word should be lovingly ACTIVE, not passive)
5:10 "TAKE NO OTHER VIEW" (The only world view is God's view - we need to see things his way! :)
5:13 FACT: Freedom is not for self indulgence, but to serve in Love. (Life is about serving, not about being served) It's not me, me, me.
5:19-25 If you life the sinful nature, you will NOT inherit the Kingdom to God. (We must come out! of ourselves, its a self sacrifice of passions and desires)
6:12 Self righteousness only looks good in the flesh, and is a way to avoid suffering the persecution for the cross of Christ.
6:15 We are a new creation in Christ. (We are not the creators of righteousness, only He is)
One last observation:
6:17 "Finally, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus."
How ironic, no! How perfect, that those requiring circumcision of the flesh as a mark of fellowship, couldn't hold a candle to Paul's flesh which bear the marks of Jesus (that persecution they were trying to avoid)
Oh ya, what of 5:12 ? "I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!" Have you or would you ever say something like that? Is this something the world would say? Come on lets get some discussion going!!!!!
There is a lot more here ladies, check it out! Isn't it great how God supplies us with answers!
Havin a blast, and looking forward to April SIS, Lord willing I'll be there finally.
Steph
From Nicki Rhoton
(** Edited note: Huge apologies that these posts are so late! I just let myself get too busy lately and haven't been updating the Canyon blogs in a timely manner. I promise I'll do a better job in the future!! -Jenny)
Just listened to Galatians on my ipod whilst walking (yeah for Spring Break).
I noticed that the main theme of the book is to warn the Galatians of the false teaching on circumcision, which they were requiring new gentile converts to do.
Strong emphasis on their no longer being under to law of Moses; admonition for requiring conformity from the gentile converts in this respect whilst not keeping the law themselves.
For us: we are saved by Christ's blood. We can improve our character, e.g. "fruits of the spirit"; but we will never be pure enough to enter into a right relationship with God, without the blood of Jesus. It is impossible to be saved by the law, and even just by righteousness.
Just listened to Galatians on my ipod whilst walking (yeah for Spring Break).
I noticed that the main theme of the book is to warn the Galatians of the false teaching on circumcision, which they were requiring new gentile converts to do.
Strong emphasis on their no longer being under to law of Moses; admonition for requiring conformity from the gentile converts in this respect whilst not keeping the law themselves.
For us: we are saved by Christ's blood. We can improve our character, e.g. "fruits of the spirit"; but we will never be pure enough to enter into a right relationship with God, without the blood of Jesus. It is impossible to be saved by the law, and even just by righteousness.
Friday, March 12, 2010
From Stephanie Slater
Hello,
I noticed that each chapter in Thessalonians ends with the coming of Christ.
1:10 ...Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
2:19 ...presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?
3:13 ...at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.
4:17 ...Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
5:23 ...preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
4:18 Tells the Thessalonians to comfort one another with these words. Do we refer to the coming of Christ often to encourage each other? Just thinkin!
Do you all agree these references ALL refer to the final judgment day? If not, please share.
Another thought; Like Phil. 1:6 "He who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ," Thess. 5:25 says, "He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it." Jesus is sufficient for me!
In Him,
Steph
I noticed that each chapter in Thessalonians ends with the coming of Christ.
1:10 ...Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
2:19 ...presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?
3:13 ...at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.
4:17 ...Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
5:23 ...preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
4:18 Tells the Thessalonians to comfort one another with these words. Do we refer to the coming of Christ often to encourage each other? Just thinkin!
Do you all agree these references ALL refer to the final judgment day? If not, please share.
Another thought; Like Phil. 1:6 "He who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ," Thess. 5:25 says, "He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it." Jesus is sufficient for me!
In Him,
Steph
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